天主教教义中是否存在玛利亚崇拜?

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  1. beechan

    beechan 新手上路 ID:138012

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    我發覺你(明的凡)解經, 十解九錯,
    你真是要好好地學一學,
    不要胡思亂解
     
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    新教的兄弟也常為人代禱。

    有時, 也會請求他人, 特別是有神恩的人如牧師, 為他們禱告, 一同禱告

    (是否加強效力呢?)



    抽出四個新教教會網頁上寫的:



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    (2)

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    (3)

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    (4)

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    為甚麼教徒不躲在家自己向天主禱告?



    既然新教徒可以找高信德的人來幫手禱告,

    為何天主教徒找聖人來幫手禱告就是被扣上「離經背道」呢?

    既然只有一個中保, 要牧師, 兄弟代甚麼的禱?!
    (你問問你的牧師先哩.....小心給黑臉了!)
     
  3. beechan

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    你在思想上又錯了

    耶穌沒有留給門徒甚麼經書, 只是教導: words....
    上主給人的救恩啟示, 在經書中, 也在耶穌的 words ...(天主教會叫聖傳, 由教會一代傳一代地傳下去)

    馬丁路德的「回归圣经」, 那麼就是把上主的啟示, 教導斬去一半, 只留下經書, 没有了聖傳, 豈不是打了一個大折扣, 不是全面的啟示囉

    正如習武一樣, 只給你一個拳譜, 你能練出正統的虎鶴雙形拳嗎?
    要精通真功夫, 還是要有師傅(劉家良級數的)來親自教導的
     
  4. beechan

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    新教徒說『真理的柱石和基礎。』是指聖經, 不是指天主教會。


    那麼, 看在馬丁路德後, 新教的教會如何分派分支, 到今日成千上萬,

    有些在教義上也不統一, 你說你的一套, 我信我的,

    嚴重的如後期聖徒教會, 耶和華見証人, 呼喊派, 東方閃電全能神.......已經到了走樣失真的程度, 而這些教會都說是看大致同一樣的聖經


    如『真理的柱石和基礎。』是只建立在經書上, 這根基也很飄移。
     
  5. 明的凡

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    @beechan @天主教---爱之家

    请问两位1)是否知道下面教义?2)两位对这些有何看法?

    "All names which in the Scriptures are applied to Christ, by virtue of which it is established that He is over the church, all the same names are applied to the Pope."
    On the Authority of the Councils, book 2, chapter 17

    "The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth."
    Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218, “Cities Petrus Bertanous”

    The Pope takes the place of Jesus Christ on earth…by divine right the Pope has supreme and full power in faith, in morals over each and every pastor and his flock. He is the true vicar, the head of the entire church, the father and teacher of all Christians. He is the infallible ruler, the founder of dogmas, the author of and the judge of councils; the universal ruler of truth, the arbiter of the world, the supreme judge of heaven and earth, the judge of all, being judged by no one, God himself on earth.” Quoted in the New York Catechism.

    These words are written in the Roman Canon Law 1685: “To believe that our Lord God the Pope has not the power to decree as he is decreed, is to be deemed heretical.”

    Father A. Pereira says: “It is quite certain that Popes have never approved or rejected this title ‘Lord God the Pope,’ for the passage in the gloss referred to appears in the edition of the Canon Law published in Rome in 1580 by Gregory XIII.”

    Writers on the Canon Law say, "The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in heaven and earth." Barclay Cap. XXVII, p. 218. Cities Petrus Bertrandus, Pius V. - Cardinal Cusa supports his statement.

    Pope Nicholas I declared: "the appellation of God had been confirmed by Constantine on the Pope, who, being God, cannot be judged by man." Labb IX Dist.: 96 Can. 7, Satis evidentur, Decret Gratian Primer Para

    "The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, he is Jesus Christ himself, hidden under the veil of flesh." Catholic National, July 1895

    "We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty" Pope Leo XIII Encyclical Letter of June 20, 1894

    Roman Catholic Canon Law stipulates through Pope Innocent III that the Roman pontiff is
    "the vicegerent upon earth, not a mere man, but of a very God;" and in a gloss on the passage it is explained that this is because he is the vicegerent of Christ, who is “very God and very man.” Decretales Domini Gregorii translatione Episcoporum, (on the transference of Bishops), title 7, chapter 3; Corpus Juris Canonice (2nd Leipzig ed., 1881), col. 99; (Paris, 1612), tom. 2, Devretales, col. 205
     
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    您的回答很weak。
     
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    你的更 weak...
    說了, 也等如無說。
     
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    這種在網上左搬右貼的東西, 就想來抺黑天主教?
    只露出你不懂真偽, 給人牽著鼻子走的網上蠢才

    就拿你開頭的三個, 看你如何愚眛

    (1)

    "All names which in the Scriptures are applied to Christ, by virtue of which it is established that He is over the church, all the same names are applied to the Pope."
    On the Authority of the Councils, book 2, chapter 17

    這本不是天主教出版的書, 說的話怎能代表天主教立埸?




    (2)
    "The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth."
    Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218, “Cities Petrus Bertanous”

    這是左剪右輯, 裁出來的...
    原文是:

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    是指耶穌在瑪竇福音16:18, 28:18 中賦予宗徒的權柄



    (3)
    “The Pope takes the place of Jesus Christ on earth…by divine right the Pope has supreme and full power in faith, in morals over each and every pastor and his flock. He is the true vicar, the head of the entire church, the father and teacher of all Christians. He is the infallible ruler, the founder of dogmas, the author of and the judge of councils; the universal ruler of truth, the arbiter of the world, the supreme judge of heaven and earth, the judge of all, being judged by no one, God himself on earth.” Quoted in the New York Catechism.

    這句是出自 Boettner Anti-Catholic Book, Roman Catholicism.,

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    不是出自天主教教理。


    這才是正宗的天主教教理
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    Boettner 是扭曲了天主教教理第882條的內容
    原文是:

    882 The Pope, Bishop of Rome and Peter's successor, "is the perpetual and visible source and foundation of the unity both of the bishops and of the whole company of the faithful."402 "For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered."

    你看, 跟 Boettner 的意思是否一樣






    新教的人來講天主教教理? 可作準耶?



    餘下的, 都是一模樣的給扭曲, 斷章抽字的東西, 不一一盡錄
     
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    我的看法是, 你這麼水平, 不要發帖,
    基督新教都給你影衰了。
     
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    網上的反基, 時常都搬來 一堆一堆抺黑基督教的材料,
    你都會去核實一下它們的真確性罷.

    同樣, 新教的人也是搬來一堆一堆可抺黑天主教的材料,
    不過, 你就懶得去核實它們的真確性, 還幫手以訛傳訛, 謠言未能止於陋儒
     
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    我对天主教了解不多,自然只有发问的份。有人发问您才有机会解释。应该感谢我。

    很高兴知道至少您不认同那些神化教宗的异端邪说。能不能请您把其它几条也解释一下?这样我有个参照找资料两边核实一下有行了。这就容易得多了。

    至于玛丽崇拜那一块,等我有时间再向您逐一请教。
     
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    或者是我錯誤判斷了你的動機。
    就你上邊貼來有關教宗地位的十多條。。。。。看來就是抺黑(指教宗自稱是神)多於是發問
     
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    把教宗「神化」了的,是新教徒,不是天主教徒。
    新教徒就是先神化了教宗,後來批判。.振振才有詞
     
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    例如這條:

    "The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, he is Jesus Christ himself, hidden under the veil of flesh." Catholic National, July 1895

    最基本的就是
    (1 )有没有一個刋物 (書,雜誌,期刋。。。)是叫 Catholic National?
    (2) 就算是有這份刋物,1895年七月那一期中,又有没有說過上邊的話?

    你找到事實真是如上邊所說時才回來罷。

    無理由你亂貼,我要替你作偵探。
     
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    怎么回事儿?教宗对要杀害改信基督的前穆斯林的伊斯兰伊目说:你是我的兄弟。 https://pulpitandpen.org/2019/02/04...-to-kill-christian-converts-youre-my-brother/

    Pope Francis, who as the Bishop of Rome views himself as the de facto representative of Christ on Earth, landed in Abu Dhabi on Sunday for the first-ever papal trip to the Arabian Peninsula. The purpose of the event was for the Pope to meet with Ahmed el-Tayeb, the Grand Imam of al-Azhar, for an Interfaith Dialogue to unite Roman Catholicism and Islam.

    .....

    El-Tayeb affirmed on his television show during the 2016 Ramadan celebration, “Contemporary apostasy presents itself in the guise of crimes, assaults, and grand treason, so we deal with it now as a crime that must be opposed and punished…. Those learned in Islam [al-fuqaha] and the imams of the four schools of jurisprudence consider apostasy a crime and agree that the apostate must either renounce his apostasy or else be killed.“

    Despite him being an enemy of the Christian church, the Pope still referred to el-Tayeb as his brother.
     

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