从数据看,AstraZeneca还是很好啊。秒杀米帝,天朝,俄帝的疫苗啊!

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看数字,还是英帝国的疫苗好啊。米帝一天八万,印度一天十三万五,秘鲁和俄帝都小一万。英帝只有三千,这是什么原理?
 

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看数字,还是英帝国的疫苗好啊。米帝一天八万,印度一天十三万五,秘鲁和俄帝都小一万。英帝只有三千,这是什么原理?
英国提倡自然免疫,估计有30%自然免疫的,再加疫苗,美帝比不上
 

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看数字,还是英帝国的疫苗好啊。米帝一天八万,印度一天十三万五,秘鲁和俄帝都小一万。英帝只有三千,这是什么原理?
你们下得很多结论是不是太轻易了?如果没记错的话,印度也是打得牛津疫苗吧?

南非几乎没打,现在总数还不到0.5%,人家情况也很好。

好的没打,坏的也打了,你这结论能成立吗?

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英国根本就不用打疫苗,全国基本已经感染了一遍了,人人有抗体,疫苗打不打没区别。从免疫效果来看,鲜活病毒本身就是最好的疫苗,而且免费。
 

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英国提倡自然免疫,估计有30%自然免疫的,再加疫苗,美帝比不上
我有一个疑问自然免疫和灭活疫苗的效果是不是一样的 还是自然免疫的效果更好一点
 

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我有一个疑问自然免疫和灭活疫苗的效果是不是一样的 还是自然免疫的效果更好一点
自然免疫的效果远远优于人工疫苗。100%有效率。
 

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自然免疫的效果远远优于人工疫苗。100%有效率。
但是好多人工疫苗 都是灭活疫苗比如天花呀什么的也是100%或者接近100%的有效力
 

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英国根本就不用打疫苗,全国基本已经感染了一遍了,人人有抗体,疫苗打不打没区别。从免疫效果来看,鲜活病毒本身就是最好的疫苗,而且免费。
英国感染人数比例排38位,在它前面的那些国家是不是更应当都达到群体免疫了?

难怪美国,以色列疫苗效果好,排第8,第11位,比瑞典(第14位)都靠前。

#Country,
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Total
Cases
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Cases
Total
Deaths
New
Deaths
Total
Recovered
Active
Cases
Serious,
Critical
Tot Cases/
1M pop
Deaths/
1M pop
Total
Tests
Tests/
1M pop
Population
1Andorra12,40912011,69259712160,4061,551193,5952,502,52177,360
2Montenegro93,5661,34587,3884,83369148,9602,141348,152554,270628,127
3Czechia1,567,84827,4661,434,281106,1011,349146,1962,56113,812,8441,287,99710,724,279
4San Marino4,932854,41143610145,1192,50155,3501,628,61233,986
5Gibraltar4,276944,1784126,9482,791218,1206,475,67033,683
6Slovenia223,4164,097205,65513,664129107,4551,9711,091,068524,7642,079,158
7Luxembourg63,18076258,8743,5443099,6881,2022,478,4793,910,661633,775
8USA31,717,404573,85624,272,8696,870,6799,12195,3921,726415,167,1531,248,642332,494,997
9Aruba9,896929,2055991492,387859132,8941,240,667107,115
10St. Barth907146244491,61610126,3852,665,1529,900
11Israel835,4866,279824,7484,45928090,83768313,686,1471,488,0149,197,590
12Bahrain153,074548141,91110,6157287,6473143,724,1042,132,3401,746,487
13Estonia112,42199091,78919,6427084,7047461,181,481890,1911,327,222
14Sweden849,62913,595N/AN/A34583,7261,3407,530,772742,11810,147,676
15Lithuania223,1273,647203,80315,67716182,8581,3542,446,061908,3412,692,888
16Panama357,7046,152347,0604,49210581,9151,4092,214,840507,2024,366,782
17Portugal825,63316,899782,89525,83912281,1531,6619,363,361920,34310,173,778
18Belgium908,21223,30158,568826,34389878,1032,00411,511,956989,98411,628,425
19Netherlands1,327,13616,691N/AN/A78877,32197210,795,845628,98017,164,061
20France4,939,25898,065303,6394,537,5545,72975,5411,50068,007,5401,040,11465,384,711
21Serbia633,0135,620541,31786,07626572,6756453,547,832407,3188,710,216
22Hungary698,49022,681419,765256,0441,33772,4472,3524,825,607500,5079,641,434
23Lebanon489,4286,549395,26187,61888071,9559633,653,828537,1816,801,858
24Georgia286,4063,849276,0846,47371,9029663,584,251899,8283,983,263
25Spain3,336,63776,1793,088,946171,5122,02471,3431,62943,458,915929,23046,768,730
26Liechtenstein2,714562,60553471,0251,46632,252844,02838,212
27Switzerland615,02410,445556,09048,48918970,6661,2006,300,365723,9098,703,258
28Croatia285,7656,185266,81312,76717169,9421,5141,610,669394,2194,085,720
29Mayotte19,4081672,96416,277869,854601159,240573,142277,837
30Slovakia368,47010,322255,300102,84857667,4651,8902,411,744441,5765,461,679
31Armenia200,1293,675179,04317,41167,4401,238889,872299,8722,967,508
32North Macedonia138,8914,108112,61922,16412466,6681,972655,924314,8472,083,308
33Qatar187,150322168,00118,82742866,6531151,786,516636,2682,807,805
34Malta29,46340128,50855466,591906826,4611,867,928442,448
35Poland2,499,50756,6592,076,504366,3443,36266,0991,49812,700,278335,85637,814,661
36French Polynesia18,6471414,84213,664266,08750026,35593,405282,157
37Curaçao10,632605,9424,6302264,58936581,316493,995164,609
38UK4,370,321126,9803,945,354297,98744064,1181,863133,233,0621,954,70368,160,254
 
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但是好多人工疫苗 都是灭活疫苗比如天花呀什么的也是100%或者接近100%的有效力
我还有一个问题就是自然免疫的英国人会不会还会得病 比如说遇到的是南非变种
 

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但是好多人工疫苗 都是灭活疫苗比如天花呀什么的也是100%或者接近100%的有效力
但是Covid19疫苗全部远低于100%有效力,即使做过假的数据(剔除所谓无症状感染者)也远不到100%
 

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我有一个疑问自然免疫和灭活疫苗的效果是不是一样的 还是自然免疫的效果更好一点
应该自然免疫比任何疫苗效果都好,因为二次感染者目前为止报道的不到10个,应该免疫率接近100%
 

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我还有一个问题就是自然免疫的英国人会不会还会得病 比如说遇到的是南非变种
好像自然免疫防变种的不一定有效,有报道用恢复病人的血浆抗体,对于变异效果比较差
 

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英国感染人数比例排38位,在它前面的那些国家是不是更应当都达到群体免疫了?

难怪美国,以色列疫苗效果好,排第8,第11位,比瑞典(第14位)都靠前。

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Tests
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1Andorra12,40912011,69259712160,4061,551193,5952,502,52177,360
2Montenegro93,5661,34587,3884,83369148,9602,141348,152554,270628,127
3Czechia1,567,84827,4661,434,281106,1011,349146,1962,56113,812,8441,287,99710,724,279
4San Marino4,932854,41143610145,1192,50155,3501,628,61233,986
5Gibraltar4,276944,1784126,9482,791218,1206,475,67033,683
6Slovenia223,4164,097205,65513,664129107,4551,9711,091,068524,7642,079,158
7Luxembourg63,18076258,8743,5443099,6881,2022,478,4793,910,661633,775
8USA31,717,404573,85624,272,8696,870,6799,12195,3921,726415,167,1531,248,642332,494,997
9Aruba9,896929,2055991492,387859132,8941,240,667107,115
10St. Barth907146244491,61610126,3852,665,1529,900
11Israel835,4866,279824,7484,45928090,83768313,686,1471,488,0149,197,590
12Bahrain153,074548141,91110,6157287,6473143,724,1042,132,3401,746,487
13Estonia112,42199091,78919,6427084,7047461,181,481890,1911,327,222
14Sweden849,62913,595N/AN/A34583,7261,3407,530,772742,11810,147,676
15Lithuania223,1273,647203,80315,67716182,8581,3542,446,061908,3412,692,888
16Panama357,7046,152347,0604,49210581,9151,4092,214,840507,2024,366,782
17Portugal825,63316,899782,89525,83912281,1531,6619,363,361920,34310,173,778
18Belgium908,21223,30158,568826,34389878,1032,00411,511,956989,98411,628,425
19Netherlands1,327,13616,691N/AN/A78877,32197210,795,845628,98017,164,061
20France4,939,25898,065303,6394,537,5545,72975,5411,50068,007,5401,040,11465,384,711
21Serbia633,0135,620541,31786,07626572,6756453,547,832407,3188,710,216
22Hungary698,49022,681419,765256,0441,33772,4472,3524,825,607500,5079,641,434
23Lebanon489,4286,549395,26187,61888071,9559633,653,828537,1816,801,858
24Georgia286,4063,849276,0846,47371,9029663,584,251899,8283,983,263
25Spain3,336,63776,1793,088,946171,5122,02471,3431,62943,458,915929,23046,768,730
26Liechtenstein2,714562,60553471,0251,46632,252844,02838,212
27Switzerland615,02410,445556,09048,48918970,6661,2006,300,365723,9098,703,258
28Croatia285,7656,185266,81312,76717169,9421,5141,610,669394,2194,085,720
29Mayotte19,4081672,96416,277869,854601159,240573,142277,837
30Slovakia368,47010,322255,300102,84857667,4651,8902,411,744441,5765,461,679
31Armenia200,1293,675179,04317,41167,4401,238889,872299,8722,967,508
32North Macedonia138,8914,108112,61922,16412466,6681,972655,924314,8472,083,308
33Qatar187,150322168,00118,82742866,6531151,786,516636,2682,807,805
34Malta29,46340128,50855466,591906826,4611,867,928442,448
35Poland2,499,50756,6592,076,504366,3443,36266,0991,49812,700,278335,85637,814,661
36French Polynesia18,6471414,84213,664266,08750026,35593,405282,157
37Curaçao10,632605,9424,6302264,58936581,316493,995164,609
38UK4,370,321126,9803,945,354297,98744064,1181,863133,233,0621,954,70368,160,254
英国人检测了几个?
加拿大有检测了几个?多少人已经感染过了,但是因为没有检测就不占数据?
 

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好像自然免疫防变种的不一定有效,有报道用恢复病人的血浆抗体,对于变异效果比较差
自然免疫无效的变种,人工疫苗就更没戏了。
 

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我有一个疑问自然免疫和灭活疫苗的效果是不是一样的 还是自然免疫的效果更好一点
我的理解两个作用是一样的,只是剂量控制,疫苗剂量控制好,刚好产生抗体,同时又去了毒性,就不会大力伤害身体。而自然免疫当大剂量感染时,在身体还没有足够时间产生抗体前就被病毒大规模攻击了。
 
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