在Milley与中国通话的两天前,川普国防部中国问题助理于1月6日也和中国进行了通话

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Office of Trump's defense secretary held call with China on January 6, two days before Milley's controversial call​


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Washington (CNN)A deputy to then-President Donald Trump's acting secretary of defense held a call with his Chinese counterpart two days before the now-controversial call by Gen. Mark Milley, undercutting criticism that the Joint Chiefs chairman was out of line.

According to two sources familiar with the matter, in a previously scheduled call on January 6, Deputy Assistant Defense Secretary for China Chad Sbragia spoke to his Chinese counterpart, in what one former US official described as a routine exchange leading into the impending transition between two presidential administrations.

In the days since the revelation of Milley's January 8 call, as well as one he had in October, Sbragia's former boss, then-Acting Secretary of Defense Chris Miller, has been among the fiercest critics of Milley.

In a statement on Wednesday, Miller accused Milley of a "disgraceful and unprecedented act of insubordination" that violated "the inviolable principle of civilian control of the military," and has insisted that he "did not and would not ever authorize" such engagements.

Yet in an interview with CNN on Friday, Miller acknowledged he likely would not have been informed of such routine engagements that either his office or Milley would have had with China. Miller also clarified that his criticism of Milley wasn't over the call he had in January, but the one he had in October 2020, under then-Secretary of Defense Mark Esper.
"I don't care about the coordination calls. It's totally appropriate for him to call his counterparts," Miller told CNN in a text message on Friday.

Christopher Miller testifies before a House Homeland Security Committee in September 2020, asthe  then-National Counterterrorism Center director.


Christopher Miller testifies before a House Homeland Security Committee in September 2020, asthe then-National Counterterrorism Center director.

Milley's calls are detailed in "Peril," a forthcoming book by the Washington Post's Bob Woodward and Robert Costa.

One former US official briefed on Milley's call said that it was "implausible that [Milley's call] would have been done without" Sbragia's knowledge. Moreover, this person said, such a routine call likely wouldn't have triggered notification of the defense secretary — a fact Miller confirmed to CNN on Friday.

"The verbal brief I got back seemed pretty innocuous," the former official added, but said, "Milley wasn't always the best at doing great coordination."

Pentagon, White House mobilize defense of Milley amid criticism over China calls

Pentagon, White House mobilize defense of Milley amid criticism over China calls

As CNN reported on Wednesday, there were 15 people on both videoconference calls Milley held with his Chinese counterpart, one on October 30 and another on January 8 -- including a representative from the State Department, according to a current defense official. Still, none of them were from the secretary of defense's office, the former US official said.

Multiple former US officials said there almost certainly was not a transcript of the call — just notes taken by staffers. Those notes, along with an official readout, were shared with the intelligence community and the interagency, according to the current defense official.

Milley on Friday defended the calls he placed to his Chinese counterpart during Donald Trump's final months in office as "perfectly within the duties and responsibilities" of his job as the chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff, The Wall Street Journal reported.

"These are routine calls in order to discuss issues of the day, to reassure both allies and adversaries in this case, in order to ensure strategic stability," Milley told reporters traveling with him on a military jet, the newspaper reported.

A December meeting​

A separate former senior defense official told CNN that during an early December meeting between Milley, Miller and other senior defense officials, Milley also told Miller that he had an open dialogue with his Chinese counterpart that had been ongoing under former defense secretary Mark Esper.

In the lead-up to Milley's January call, the first former US official said, "I discussed with his staff that this is a good opportunity to remind the Chinese that any transition period should not be viewed as an opportunity for Chinese adventurism. During this period, it was a good and responsible thing to do."

Miller had previously acknowledged to CNN that he likely received some "perfunctory" notification of the call, but raised questions about the level of detail he received before or after.

At the time, Miller had been in office for only a matter of months. Former President Donald Trump dismissed Defense Secretary Mark Esper following the election and installed Miller and a handful of other officials on an acting basis in the final 60 days of the administration.

Now, even amongst Milley's critics, there seems to be little controversy over the content of the January exchange, as described by both Woodward and Costa as well as other sources.

The October call​

Along with his January 8 call, "Peril" documents another backchannel call Milley placed to China's top general, Li Zuocheng, in October. Milley initiated that call due to intelligence suggesting China were growing increasingly concerned that the US was going to attack them, according to multiple sources familiar with the matter, Milley sought to calm Li by reassuring him that the US was not considering a strike.

The call was a "sophisticated and appropriate action taken to reduce risk with Chinese based on clear evidence and facts that Chinese had made a gross conceptual miscalculation," the former US official said — not an offer by Milley to "tip off" the Chinese of an impending attack, as some critics have read the account of the call as laid out in "Peril."

Woodward/Costa book: Worried Trump could 'go rogue,' Milley took secret action to protect nuclear weapons

Woodward/Costa book: Worried Trump could 'go rogue,' Milley took secret action to protect nuclear weapons

"General Li, you and I have known each other for now five years," Milley said in the October 30 call, according to Woodward and Costa. "If we're going to attack, I'm going to call you ahead of time. It's not going to be a surprise. It's not going to be a bolt out of the blue."


"If there was a war or some kind of kinetic action between the United States and China, there's going to be a buildup, just like there has been always in history," Milley told Li according to the book.

"Peril" also details a secret meeting Milley convened in his office at the Pentagon two days after the January 6 attack at the Capitol, in which Milley went over the procedure for launching nuclear weapons, telling top military officers they needed to consult him before proceeding with any order.

"No matter what you are told, you do the procedure. You do the process. And I'm part of that procedure," Milley said, according to the book.

That account is of far more concern to some former officials who spoke to CNN on the condition of anonymity and outside analysts, who see it as the chairman of the joint chiefs -- whose role by statute is advisory, not a command authority -- inserting himself inappropriately into the chain of command.

 

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川大爷折腾半天结果全在中共算计中啊:shale:
 

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在记者招待会上,中国对这几个电话都未做出回应。

Milley 在去年10月30日与中国的通话中说: 据Woodward/Costa book 说,“李将军,你和我认识五年了,如果我们要进攻,我会提前给你打电话。这不会是一个意外。它不会是突然出现的。”

“如果美国和中国之间发生战争或某种行动,就会像过去一样,进行集结。”

"General Li, you and I have known each other for now five years," Milley said in the October 30 call, according to Woodward and Costa. "If we're going to attack, I'm going to call you ahead of time. It's not going to be a surprise. It's not going to be a bolt out of the blue."

"If there was a war or some kind of kinetic action between the United States and China, there's going to be a buildup, just like there has been always in history," Milley told Li according to the book.

 

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意思就是说,只要我没给你打电话,任何攻击,即便是铺天盖地的导弹飞机轰炸,那都是“拿错了地图”,你们不要反击。
等我们把你们所有可能的还击力量消灭干净了,我肯定会跟你打电话
 

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米粒的角色就是个协调和顾问,美军作战命令是由总统,国防部长直接下达给军种和各个战区的。还真当自己是棵葱
 

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米利两次与中国通话时,都有15个人在场,但是总统和国防部不知情,只有笔记,没有录音。总统和国防部长都骂他叛国。国防部在他通话两天前也曾与中国通话。
 

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米利两次与中国通话时,都有15个人在场,但是总统和国防部不知情,只有笔记,没有录音。总统和国防部长都骂他叛国。国防部在他通话两天前也曾与中国通话。
如果他确实说保证啥的,那有越权之嫌,虽然他啥也保证不了。按这个级别(总长对总长)应该就是一个例行通风会
 

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床铺这个疯子真的什么不智的事情都可能做出来。参谋总长没做错。
 

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意思就是说,只要我没给你打电话,任何攻击,即便是铺天盖地的导弹飞机轰炸,那都是“拿错了地图”,你们不要反击。
等我们把你们所有可能的还击力量消灭干净了,我肯定会跟你打电话

现代战争不用等导弹飞机轰炸才开始……

尤其大国之间的战争,往往一些部队异常调动,就能引起对方启动防御或者攻击计划……

2001年9/11后,美国国务卿莱斯马上打电话给普京,说美国正在调兵,但不是针对俄罗斯,让普京放心。
 

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如果体制,宪法允许,那就可以。

如果宪法不允许,那就是违法。

这么简单。还漫画,还在攻击。真是无耻。

当然了。

这个国会山事件一个意思。

最后国会山警力,竟然短短三个月,有4个人吧,自杀。

足以说明一切。宪法不存,才是美国衰败的根本。
 

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这次米粒被抛出来,

估计是阿富汗的失败的替罪羊。
 

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米利是否违宪?

前总统说是的,违宪叛国,现任总统说履行职责。
 

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嗯,现总统没有发言权。这是发生在前任,是否违宪,主要看前任,和最高法。如果最高法敢的话。美国军事法庭应该也有发言权。

美国如果开此先例。以后,军人政府,不见不散了。
 

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美国的宪法解释权归总统?
 
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